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deafgrrl sez: "A wee bit homophobic aren't we?"

me: NOPE. I have plenty of gay friends, I like them, I do not, however, approve of their lifestyles. That does not mean I am afraid of them or scared that they may rub off and change my values.
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deafgrrl sez: "A wee bit homophobic aren't we?"

me: NOPE. I have plenty of gay friends, I like them, I do not, however, approve of their lifestyles. ?That does not mean I am afraid of them or scared that they may rub off and change my values.


The good thing is they don't need YOUR approval.
As long as their happy with who they are, that's all that matters.
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i wasnt put on this earth to be judge and jury for anyone. but i do have my beliefs. i can like a person for who they are, and not necessarily have to like their choices and behaviors. they, in turn, dont have to agree with me in my choice of lifestyle either. it is their choice and i have made mine. i just feel that if same sex orientation were meant to be, there wouldnt be two seperate genders. this is one of those points where we will just have to agree to disagree without belittling anyone with different beliefs. however, i dont feel that someone with different beliefs than mine should have any more benefits because of sexual orientation. why reward someone for their own choices? i dont get more protection under the law because i am a christian, so why should gay people?
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btw, i guess the point to this topic could be... this address was given at a private catholic college. why are these students so offended by the religious aspect being spoken at a school they CHOSE to go to? maybe they belong at a secular public college if they arent going to abide by the teachings of that faith.
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"i dont get more protection under the law because i am a christian,"

actually, one could argue you do. the right to worship is more "given" than the right to be agnostic or an atheist. Soceity often looks down in disdain at the latter two, while religious freedom is clearly specified.
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eve sez: "I have plenty of gay friends, I like them, I do not, however, approve of their lifestyles."

(nothing personal eve) me: doesn't this make one a hypocrite? CAN one truly be friends with someone you have made a personal judgement on?


I'm not saying one has to like the lifestyle to be friends with a gay person -- they are free not to accept or accept the lifestyle for themselves . . .

BUT, to pass judgement and say their lifestyle is BAD and still be friends???



For example, I am not a "friend" of one single religous franatic. Since this group is so intent on converting others, I've passed judgement on them that they're selfish egoists. So, if I were to become "friends" with one of them, it would make me a hypocrite, wouldn't it?
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(nothing personal eve) me: doesn't this make one a hypocrite? ?
CAN one truly be friends with someone you have made a ?
personal judgement on?


So, does that mean you agree with all of your friends 100% of
the time?
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emmmmmmmm Taz,,,,,,i'm catholic,,,,,not nice to generalize ?(IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ?

Yes, some of the catholics did some horrible things and need punished for it, actually burn in hell, BUT not all catholics are like that ?(IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sorry about that!

Of course, not all are like that. (IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't mean to make it look generalizing. .I left out those lying sacks of crap called Catholics -- ones that are messing up the religion and making it look bad.

Am i more clear now? I apologize. (IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Why is it that when people who claim to be Christians do things ?
that PROVE they don't understand Christian theology, that folks ?
attack Christianity itself?

Show me in the Bible where these men were directed to molest ?
little boys, I dare you!

These perverts weren't Christians, they used the robes of ?
Catholic priests as a disguise.

When John Wayne Gacy used a clown costume to lure little boys ?
to their deaths, I didn't see ANYONE saying we need to get rid of ?
all clowns.

Why don't Christians get a little CREDIT form time to time, for the ?
good they do?

What about Christian groups in Africa, Asia, and India devoted to ?
freeing children from prostitution?

What about Christian Missions that bring medical, educational, ?
and nutritional help to third-world countries?

What about Christian-run soup kitchens and shelters right here in ?
America, that help the homeless?

And as for Christians holding back science, where would the ?
scientific world be without the likes of Gregor Mendel?

I think some of y'all need to step back, and take a FAIR look at ?
Christians, in general!


I don't need to step back!

My point was that:

1) If it's all holy -- everybody in the faith would be INDEED holy and not go off and commit sick acts or stupid acts like killing people in the word of the Holy One.

Yet we see it all over.

Means God is not here, and BIble ain't helping. People are taking it the wrong way. Same goes with the Koran, etc.

No need to push it further, I wasn't insulting anyone. I simply brought up a point.

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AH! ?So that's the secret to a wild and kinky sex life, I just need to become more straitlaced..... ?whoooo-hoo, MysteryShopper do you want to become more conservative? ?(IMG:http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/spezial/Fool/lu.gif) ?That's the goofiest "statistic" I've ever heard. Gee. Did all the Liberals put a sex barometer in all the Conservative's bedrooms or something? And the Liberals say, "Oh but not in mine please...we have our civil liberties to protect?" ?(IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And I do think Dale has a point here. ?There are a lot of Christians who do a WORLD of good- and one cannot let the few bad apples spoil the bunch. ?For those who have no understanding of religion (and don't want to) one of my friends told me he felt the best thing one could do is remember everyone uses SOMETHING as a moral compass...and it may come in the form of religion. Nothing wrong with that as long as each of us have our own compass and don't try to force others to use ours. ?

Sherry


(IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/surprise.gif) at DeafGrrl.

Jeez, what kind of b.s. is that. Read: Conservative. Look: GWB and GHWB. Capable of weird sex? I think not.

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"So, does that mean you agree with all of your friends 100% of
the time?"

no. one can respect differences, but passing judgement on a lifestyle choice is another matter entirely.

this, of course, is open for debate.
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Taz-

My point is this:

If a man claims to be a Christian, then molests little boys, why do
you say this prove Christianity is flawed?

Can't you accept that maybe he wasn't ACTUALLY a Christian?

Saying you're a Christian doesn't make you one, adhering to the
beliefs of Christianity makes you a Christian.

A person who truly is a Christian may make the occasional slip,
but no man who has God's love in his heart could molest a child.
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I just stepped back, and took a look at this thread, and the
two "sub-threads" that are going on, and I think they make an
interesting point.

We have one argument, in which Christians are being berated,
because we don't accept the gay lifestyle as moral.

Then, another, that says Christianity is corrupt, because some
men claiming to be Christians have molested children.

If you admit, even scream about the fact that we dissapprove of
sex between anyone besides a heterosexual couple, then why
would you think true Christianity condones sex with children?
(Molesting children being a FAR WORSE offense!)

These people, who have raped, murdered, an tortured, then
claimed to do it in the name of God were following their own
agenda, not God's.

How about, instead of attacking Christianity for what these false
Christians have done, we go after the perpetrators of the crimes?
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(nothing personal eve) me: doesn't this make one a hypocrite? CAN one truly be friends with someone you have made a personal judgement on?
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n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold
nope, im not gay and i dont profess to be. my beliefs say that i am not the judge, God is. my beliefs also state that I should love my neighbor as myself. Love the sinner, not the sin.
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As my grandpappy once said, "There's no pleasin' everybody."

Some people are going to take what they hear to heart, some will just ignore it, and still others will be downright offended.

Accept that.

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Exactly Mark..

So quit it people. It's a tiresome discussion and will never go anywhere because each of us has their belief. Just simply stay friends, and don't google each other ! (IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Who brought this topic up? Eve!

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*"googling" taz & mark* (pssst what's a "google" anyway?)
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eve sez: "hypocrite, n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold"

me: have you told your gay friend exactly what you think of them? if not, wouldn't it be hypocritical to mislead them in that manner?
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Is it hypocritical if you don't tell your friends (or family) everything you think about them? I.E., I don't like your hair, your kids, your wife, your mother, etc.? Isn't it ok just to keep your mouth shut sometimes? Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't talk about them behind their back to people you share a common bond with. (i.e., gossip...)

I have relatives I don't like but I wouldn't tell them that! (IMG:http://www.deafonline2.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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we don't get to choose family members, but friends? hmm. well, ok. to each its own. but me thinks its odd to be friends with somone whose lifestyle one despises and badmouths in forums.
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